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November 12, 2007

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John Norris

By algorithms, do you mean what Connecting for Health uses? If I understand them correctly, it is identifying a person using a set of information.

It seemed they are trying to get away from folks having an actual number.

-John

David C. Kibbe, MD MBA

John: Thanks for your comment. Yes, it is relatively common for patient identification or indexing systems in large organizations to use several demographic items, including name, date of birth, address, etc. as a means of assuring that the person whose file or records they are presented with is unique and matches with their own records of this person. This methodology is widely used, and avoids the requirement that the presenting person/record have a unique identifying number.

However, with respect to their own internal systems, most of these organizations then assign a unique number to this person, and that number is then used in the patient indexing system of that organization or enterprise.

Obviously, one benefit of using a voluntary patient identifier is that it would allow you or me to map our number to the master patient index numbers of numerous organizations and enterprises, based on our consent. This would mean that we could send our data over the Internet anonymously, and be "recognized" without names, addresses, dob, etc. attached to it, if we wished to.

It's all about which perspective you need/want to take: are you the individual knocking on the door, or the organization on the other side of the door?

Hope this is helpful, DCK

John Norris

Thanks, quite helpful. I understand that organizations probably do assign an number internally, but hadn't thought of the benefits of partial anonymity using numbers outside the system.

I do wonder how it would work, as when I use a credit card I do give out some other identifying information so the billing system knows I'm the rightful owner of the card. Maybe an OpenID type of implementation (which I admit not to know much about.)

The pdf you cite was not available this morning.

Thanks for the blog!

David C. Kibbe, MD MBA

Try this link: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.louhie.org%2FDownloads%2Fa_voluntary_approach_can_sol_130987.pdf&ei=MPA5R-PoA5nahQPo38iJCw&usg=AFQjCNFXyKf24-j3W-awc4Fpp9T3tZ7YvQ&sig2=TCVKWKfpj1N9wH2EwxWhKQ

bernard lunn

You may want to look at the work that Doc Searls and others are doing around Vendor Relationship Management (VRM) as they have been thinking a lot about identity issues, but nobody there has real healthcare expertise and that is the "elephant in the room" when it comes to online identity, trust and privacy issues.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/projectvrm/Main_Page

gjudd

ah, good, fresh, intelligible, sane stuff on identity issues in health care, that actually proceeds from the real needs involved. Somewhere Clay Shirky is smiling....

And I would be too, if one of the versions of the URL posted for Barry Heib's white paper were to begin working.

gjudd

acck, Dr Hieb, wherever you are, my apologies for my spelling....

David C. Kibbe, MD MBA

Colleagues: I received this message from Barry Hieb just today:

I am currently engaged in a project to implement a Voluntary Universal Healthcare Identifier (VUHID, “view-hid”) system based on ASTM standards E1714 and E2553. The system is a voluntary system that will issue both public and private (anonymous) healthcare identifiers at no charge upon request by a patient. See http://vuhid.org for a moderately comprehensive description of the system and how it will function. We currently hope to have the system operational some time around the middle of 2008. Historically there have been numerous barriers to the implementation of such a system including cost, technical issues, lack of national consensus, federal legislation prohibiting funding for such an effort, (legitimate) privacy concerns, and the improbability of being able to pull off a ‘big bang’ implementation. We believe that the design of the current VUHID project avoids or eliminates all of these objections. In particular, we believe that the privacy community will come to support this effort as substantially improving privacy over our current situation while avoiding the privacy risks that would be associated with the creation of any national database of demographic or clinical information. I would be most interested in receiving analysis, thoughts, and feedback at barry.hieb@gartner.com once people have had an opportunity to study our proposal.

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