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May 23, 2008

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Attila Csordas

Privacy concerns: Let's apply the hacker approach to Google Health data to check safety: what is the worst-case hack scenario you can imagine? And how would you defend the system?

On the other hand: How can Google Health help to homeless people?
Here is a suggestion:
http://pimm.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/how-can-google-health-help-to-homeless-people/

Josh

David,

My firm represents a company that has created one of the most innovative new applications I have seen in online health. How would I be able to bring it to the consideration of Google to potentially go beyond the "NDA gate"? I think this application could be a tremendous compliment to Google Health.

Richard D. Chennault

Google Health viewed from a consumer perspective is right on the mark. From the start the user understands the site is about their health. That is Google Health's strongest selling point for the moment. If Google can continue to grow its partner offerings whilst maintaining user centered design perspective they will be successful.

The other item they will need to carefully manage is user experience based medicine (social software meets health care) vs. evidence based medicine.

Richard D. Chennault

Google Health viewed from a consumer perspective is right on the mark. From the start the user understands the site is about their health. That is Google Health's strongest selling point for the moment. If Google can continue to grow its partner offerings whilst maintaining user centered design perspective they will be successful.

The other item they will need to carefully manage is user experience based medicine (social software meets health care) vs. evidence based medicine.

e-Patient Dave

The privacy issue is simply huge. I don't know why the advocates don't get it. The lay people I talk to *all* express concern about it; some flat-out say "No WAY I'm giving them my data."

The two most common concerns I hear are that nobody wants a TJX-style hack-in to happen with their health info, and nobody wants to risk Ashcroft-Rumsfeld-Cheney jerks serving up warrantless National Security Letters etc and giving the data to other govt agencies "and other parties," as authorized by USA Patriot.

The other day NPR had a piece about how some Iraq veterans are going private-pay because they fear what will happen if the military finds out they're being treated for PTSD.

Then there's the issue of Google's corporate integrity. (See the CNet.com episode and China. All this has been discussed at some length on the e-Patients blog and elsewhere, which I cataloged briefly on my little blog.)

Now, perhaps those concerns are completely baseless, but I haven't (yet) heard anyone say why, except "Oh, don't worry about that."

Granted, there are the people who say "Google knows it's not covered by HIPAA, so it wrote its own tougher rules." Which, of course, can't be enforced. Who's kidding whom?

I'd feel a lot better if all the enterprises that want to get into this great opportunity (and it is one) would work to get HIPAA updated to cover their case.

I'm all for technology and its benefits for all of us, especially patients. But I have a very strong feeling that it needs to be done open source, not by someone who will gladly import your data but won't let you export it again. Is there any not-for-profit justification for that policy?

John Grohol

Sorry, but how is data "transportable" without an easy to access "export" function?

Word to the wise -- if you want to launch a PHR in this marketplace and not bother with HIPAA or other oversight, make sure your data is easily exportable directly from your record itself. If you focus on "import" and leave "export" to others, well, that speaks volumes as to your intent (you can export, but only with pre-approved Google partners -- hardly giving you the freedom over your own health data). Thanks Google Health Advisory Council!!! Great oversight there!

As it is, Google PHR is a non-starter for any open-source advocate ("rapid design evolution" [which seems like marketing 2.0 speak] notwithstanding). Patients want options, not "disruptive" technologies. Again, more marketing-speak and hype. Sorry, but most real patients are a little wiser than that.

Ben Dillon

The ability to enter your data and then look at it later is just simply not enough. When there is sufficient value attached, consumers will overcome their apprehension and make the move. After all, consumers have made that transition for their financial relationships. Do consumers feel that the privacy of their medical information is so much more sensitive than their financial information? I doubt it.

From a value perspective, PHR's need to be connected to the patient's care team to be relevant. I see this as a two-way street with clinics and hospitals populating much of the PHR as well as the information in the PHR connecting the patient to relevant local resources for managing their health.

@John Grohol - I've seen the arguement that Google and Microsoft aren't governed by HIPAA as well. I'm not sure if that's strictly true once they're interfacing with Covered Entities. First, they begin to quickly look like Clearinghouses. Regardless, I don't think that providers would be able to send them information without having a Business Associates Agreement which (should) bind them to roughly the same standards as the CE, I would think. Has anyone seen analysis of this issue by someone qualified to make a judgement call on this item?

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